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kelly5612
Joined: 17 Jun 2008 Posts: 260
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd be interested in facilitating, co- or otherwise, this project. Jack, what do you recommend is the best way to get started? |
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4399 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:34 pm Post subject: Food Truck Thursdays in Lamont Park? |
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| kelly5612 wrote: | | I'd be interested in facilitating, co- or otherwise, this project. Jack, what do you recommend is the best way to get started? |
Re attracting one of those food trucks, I'm afraid there's little hope. Those trucks work downtown, where large numbers of employees emerge from office buildings looking for lunch. Here, there are no large employers, and hence not a large enough lunchtime "crowd" to make it worthwhile for a truck to come here.
Of course there are plenty of lunch-fare suppliers right across the street from Lamont Park. Perhaps all that's really needed is benches and tables to make the park suitable for people to sit and eat their lunches purchased from across the street. As you know, my resolution to that effect accomplished nothing. But then I didn't work hard to pushing Parks and Rec to do what we asked. Without intensive follow-up, DC agencies tend to put ANC resolutions in the "file and forget" bin.
Mount Pleasant Main Street might be the best organization to work with to bring about such changes, if that's what's needed to make the park more user-friendly.
-- Jack |
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Jennrgolden
Joined: 21 Jan 2006 Posts: 261 Location: Newton St
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Food Truck Thursdays in Lamont Park? |
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| jack wrote: | | kelly5612 wrote: | | I'd be interested in facilitating, co- or otherwise, this project. Jack, what do you recommend is the best way to get started? |
Re attracting one of those food trucks, I'm afraid there's little hope. Those trucks work downtown, where large numbers of employees emerge from office buildings looking for lunch. Here, there are no large employers, and hence not a large enough lunchtime "crowd" to make it worthwhile for a truck to come here.
Of course there are plenty of lunch-fare suppliers right across the street from Lamont Park. Perhaps all that's really needed is benches and tables to make the park suitable for people to sit and eat their lunches purchased from across the street. As you know, my resolution to that effect accomplished nothing. But then I didn't work hard to pushing Parks and Rec to do what we asked. Without intensive follow-up, DC agencies tend to put ANC resolutions in the "file and forget" bin.
Mount Pleasant Main Street might be the best organization to work with to bring about such changes, if that's what's needed to make the park more user-friendly.
-- Jack |
I think we could make an event of it on a Sunday perhaps...kind of a food-truck fair/affair... THAT wouldn't bite into their usual traffic stops - it's a chance for them to get the word out about themselves. marketed correctly it could draw quite a crowd (for better or worse - I say bec it seems many in our neighborhood are not fond of crowds)... none the less...still worth a try in some form or another. _________________ - Jenn |
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Jennrgolden
Joined: 21 Jan 2006 Posts: 261 Location: Newton St
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4399 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:15 pm Post subject: Food Truck Thursdays in Lamont Park? |
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Rather than seeking out a food truck, how about coordinating a Lamont Park event with the carry-out shops across the street? I'm not very enthusiastic about recruiting competition from outside to compete with our local shops.
I can't dig up my correspondence on this, but I vaguely recall one of the Mount Pleasant Street restaurants proposing setting up a stand in the park, right across from their restaurant, to sell food in the park. That never got off the ground, because of the usual bureaucratic obstacles. But if enough people express support for this, it can be made to happen.
-- Jack |
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micmac
Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 354
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the point is that the food trucks sell more interesting fare than our local Mt. P businesses. |
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kelly5612
Joined: 17 Jun 2008 Posts: 260
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Food trucks are hot, exciting and new: which is EXACTLY what this neighborhood needs. Harry's original suggestion incorporated a social element, too. Aren't we all complaining about the drunks in Lamont Park? Let's take it back, and what better way to do that than to get people out there enjoying it. And what better way to get people together than food?
I contacted 10 food truck vendors to see if they'd be interested in an idea like this. I'll contact more tomorrow.
PS. In the time it took me to write this, a vendor has already emailed me back saying they're very interested! |
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EntoK
Joined: 08 May 2010 Posts: 68
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: Food Truck Thursdays in Lamont Park? |
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| jack wrote: | Rather than seeking out a food truck, how about coordinating a Lamont Park event with the carry-out shops across the street? I'm not very enthusiastic about recruiting competition from outside to compete with our local shops.
I can't dig up my correspondence on this, but I vaguely recall one of the Mount Pleasant Street restaurants proposing setting up a stand in the park, right across from their restaurant, to sell food in the park. That never got off the ground, because of the usual bureaucratic obstacles. But if enough people express support for this, it can be made to happen.
-- Jack |
We should probably get rid of the farmers market too. Nothing you can't get there that can't be bought at best way or one of the bodegas. Right Jack? |
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4399 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Food Truck Thursdays in Lamont Park? |
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| EntoK wrote: |
We should probably get rid of the farmers market too. Nothing you can't get there that can't be bought at best way or one of the bodegas. Right Jack? |
We supported the farmer's market on the assumption that it would not harm our local businesses. That seems be generally the case, though we do hear some occasional complaints from the Mount Pleasant Street markets. There seems to be relatively little overlap of products and clientele.
Concerning purchasing lunch food from vendors, there is more direct competition with the restaurants and carry-outs on Mount Pleasant Street. Our local businesses are suffering enough already, and I'm not favorable to anything that will harm them further.
-- Jack |
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mha
Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 171
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: Food Truck Thursdays in Lamont Park? |
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| jack wrote: | | EntoK wrote: |
We should probably get rid of the farmers market too. Nothing you can't get there that can't be bought at best way or one of the bodegas. Right Jack? |
We supported the farmer's market on the assumption that it would not harm our local businesses. That seems be generally the case, though we do hear some occasional complaints from the Mount Pleasant Street markets. There seems to be relatively little overlap of products and clientele.
Concerning purchasing lunch food from vendors, there is more direct competition with the restaurants and carry-outs on Mount Pleasant Street. Our local businesses are suffering enough already, and I'm not favorable to anything that will harm them further.
-- Jack |
The harm comes from marginal food offerings, not from the threat of competition. The only commercial strip I can quickly walk to for a quick meal is Mt. Pleasant St. yet there are only a few businesses offering quality food in clean environments. I could easily double my use of the commercial strip with more, higher quality food offerings. Same goes for the grocery stores. They aren't selling a lot of what we eat, but the farmer's market does and we could use more. |
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Cory
Joined: 31 Mar 2010 Posts: 99 Location: 17th and Park
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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I would absolutely support food trucks visiting lamont park. As other posters have pointed out there are a lot of restaurants in Mt P but little diversity. A food truck gathering limited to once a week would offer people who are not tempted by some of the selections of brick and mortar restaurants to come together and enjoy some different fare without harming business to other restaurants. In fact, I think the point of this inquiry is that a number of Mt P residents aren't interested in a number of Mt P restaurants and so they aren't losing any business anyway.
What role could the ANC play in this? My understanding is that street vendors can sell anywhere in DC they choose. They would not be parked in the park - there is no need for a public space permit. |
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micmac
Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 354
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| While food trucks might theoretically compete with Mt P businesses, in reality they offer fresh innovative fare like lobster rolls & Indian food and other tasty items not available in our neighborhood.. The hygiene level at most Mt. P restaurants is off putting - cockroaches, dirty cooking oil etc... have lost my business. It's just not worth the risk. |
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4399 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:02 pm Post subject: Food Truck Thursdays in Lamont Park? |
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| Cory wrote: | | I would absolutely support food trucks visiting lamont park. As other posters have pointed out there are a lot of restaurants in Mt P but little diversity. A food truck gathering limited to once a week would offer people who are not tempted by some of the selections of brick and mortar restaurants to come together and enjoy some different fare without harming business to other restaurants. In fact, I think the point of this inquiry is that a number of Mt P residents aren't interested in a number of Mt P restaurants and so they aren't losing any business anyway. |
I see a considerable variety along Mount Pleasant Street, e.g., Heller's, Don Jaime's, Marx, Corado's, Don Juan's, Pollo Sabroso (my personal favorite), Adam Express, Marleny's, Radius, Tonic, Dos Gringos -- what's missing, such that a food truck should be recruited to the neighborhood?
Perhaps the problem is the absence of any good place to sit outdoors and eat a lunch. One pertinent observation: when Don Juan's opened its sidewalk cafe, a whole different clientele appeared. There are residents who are comfortable outdoors, not so comfortable indoors. IMHO the answer is to make Lamont Park lunch-user-friendly, which it currently is not.
| Cory wrote: |
What role could the ANC play in this? My understanding is that street vendors can sell anywhere in DC they choose. They would not be parked in the park - there is no need for a public space permit. |
I have no idea whether the ANC would have a role or not. As for the park, its use would call for a Parks and Rec permit, not public space (DDOT). On the other hand, a truck parked on the street would likely require a public space permit. In neither case has the pertinent DC agency been inclined to request ANC endorsement of a permit.
-- Jack |
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Jennrgolden
Joined: 21 Jan 2006 Posts: 261 Location: Newton St
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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First, competition breeds better business...it's kind of what makes the entire U.S. consumer-based supply & demand thing work. A little competition might make some of the businesses step up their game.
But that was not my reason for supporting the idea. My reasons were as someone else pointed out
1) the social benefit of getting residents in the hood together
2) varied food choices - Indian cuisine would make me immensley happy, Thai would be great too, sushi! Heck even one of the BBQ trucks would be great! There is no debate the lack of food choices in our 'hood.
3) I liked the idea of making Mt. Pleasant main Street "a destination" a place to be once a week and as I pointed out before I really think the neighborhood business could benefit from the foot traffic - including Hellers and Flying Fish...and how about the hardware store,I'm sure they'd love the foot traffic
I think the root problem here is the same as other ideas that have been offered in the past...change. Everyone fears it; why not just say - Let's give this a try...see how it goes. _________________ - Jenn |
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micmac
Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 354
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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I think the food trucks are a great idea too. I wouldn't call "Don Jaime's, Corado's, Don Juan's" a diverse group of restaurants, more like redundant. If Pollo Sabroso's decor is your idea of a nice night out that's just fine. Personally I find dining in most of the restaurants on Mt. P downright depressing.
I doubt the trucks would want to give up a sure thing downtown for their lunch business. We would have to find an entrepreneur willing to work a long day for an early evening visit to Lamont St. park. |
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