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Pavement markings for corner of Park, Mt. Pleasant and 17th

 
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Dwight



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:34 pm    Post subject: Pavement markings for corner of Park, Mt. Pleasant and 17th Reply with quote

This intersection was repaved a long time ago (6+ months) and there are no pavement markings. It is a confusing intersection (2 one way streets, not all at 90 degree angles, delayed green light for northbound Mt. P street, a right turn lane with a stop sign for East bound Part turning onto Mt P). West bound Park Rd traffic is not sure which lane to be in to continue straight onto Park Westbound, etc). Also it is busy and is on many student's walk to Bancroft and the Catholic school on Park.

Can the ANC create and pass a resolution demanding that D-Dot finish the job by painting stop lines, zebra cross walks, lane dividers and arrows indicating which lanes are meant for turning and which are for going straight.

Thanks
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brodyburks



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've brought this up in at least two ANC meetings immediately after the repaving was done, and they've never done anything. Perhaps you can be more persuasive.

I've sent requests to DDOT and they've never done anything.

I'm thisclose to simply buying a can of white spraypaint.
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Dwight



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

now that it has been over 6 months since the repaving and school is in session (and since the anc seems to be in rapid fire ressolution mode) perhaps they will take this up. we can only hope they listen to their constituents...
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Julia



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just called my contact at DDOT, Callistus Nwadike.

We don't need to go through the ANC - these are types of requests that resident can and should address to DDOT - especially if it's street markings that were not completed by the DDOT contractor.

DDOT actually just had folks out there this morning so there should be movement on the Park/MtP/17thSt intersection.

Callistus told me we should just send an email -
To: Doug Noble ([email address removed - log in to view])
cc: Callistus Nwadike ([email address removed - log in to view]); Mike Jelen ([email address removed - log in to view] - I'm, guessing at that email address)

We can also call 727-1000 for these types of things but going directly to DDOT will expedite things.
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brodyburks



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also sent Jeff Jennings in Jim Graham's office an email asking for his help on this issue. I haven't had a chance to follow up with him, but will this afternoon.
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Dwight



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My request via the online City Services Request page was made on Jan 17, 2005 and is still listed as open. I had heard that there was a dispute between a contractor whom D-Dot says should have done the painting so there was a stalemate. I thought that ANC pressure (and/or Jeff Jennings pressure) might move the ball.

Glad to hear a crew was out there to get the process started.
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brodyburks



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeff has contacted his people at DDOT to try and get this straightend out, and determine who is responsible for the intersection.
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brodyburks



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Jelen got back to me today- they had to sort out whose responsibilty this was (typical) but have gotten that squared away and said it should be scheduled in 2-3 weeks. Not sure if that means *complete* in two or three weeks, or just put on the calender. At any rate, the projects moving.

He also said to contact Frank Pacifico ([email address removed - log in to view]) with anything further regarding this intersection.
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Dwight



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has been 5 weeks and I've seen no action.
Over a week ago I emailed Frank Pacifico for an update, and I have not gotten a reply.
Anyone know what the delay is?
This really is an unsafe intersection currently, and it has been unmarked for almost a year.

ANC, given that the citizens of the neighborhood have tried all the regular means for getting this situation addressed for over 10 months, would you be willing to pass a ressolution seeking action on this? If not, where else do you suggest we turn?

Thanks,
Dwight
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brodyburks



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too thought about this yesterday. The email that I recieved from DDOT said that the intersection would be "scheduled" for markings in the last couple weeks. I dont know if that means it should have been done a few weeks ago, or put on the calender to actually be done a few weeks ago. I'll start hassling people on my end again too. <sigh>
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jack



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:02 pm    Post subject: 17th & Park Road Reply with quote

Dwight wrote:
ANC, given that the citizens of the neighborhood have tried all the regular means for getting this situation addressed for over 10 months, would you be willing to pass a resolution seeking action on this? If not, where else do you suggest we turn?


I'm pretty frustrated with DDOT myself these days. They seem to be looking for reasons why they don't have to do what we want.

I'll try my contacts at DDOT again concerning that intersection. But don't overestimate the value of pavement markings; many drivers ignore them. Stop bars and crosswalks are pretty much wasted paint.

What I would like to see at that intersection is (1) the right lane on Park Road to be a right-turn-only lane; (2) the middle lane, straight through only; (3) the left lane, left turn onto Mount Pleasant Street. Anyone disagree with that?

That intersection is right on the dividing line between Wayne Kahn's and Gregg Edwards' SMDs. Feel free to contact them for an ANC resolution on this matter.

-- Jack
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Michael



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think those are great suggestions. I am constantly squeezed by another car trying go straight onto Park Road -- as am I -- whether I'm in the middle lane or the right lane. It's not at all clear where you're supposed to be.
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brodyburks



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:11 pm    Post subject: Re: 17th & Park Road Reply with quote

jack wrote:
What I would like to see at that intersection is (1) the right lane on Park Road to be a right-turn-only lane; (2) the middle lane, straight through only; (3) the left lane, left turn onto Mount Pleasant Street. Anyone disagree with that?

-- Jack


Not in theory, but I question its usefulness in practice. Given the fact that I've never driven down Park without finding someone double parked (and the USPS is the absolute worst about it), I wonder if the division of lanes can actually be used.

If there are explicit pavement markings, but they cannot be followed because of circumstances, it may set up more conflict rather than less. If people are forced to turn out of the wrong lane because a postal truck is illegally parked, then people behind them may not be paying enough attention to deal with that- assuming they're forced into following the pavement marking.

I say this, having had a very close call in this exact situation last week- someone acting against pavement marking out of necessity nearly hitting me because I didn't expect traffic from that direction.
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jack



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:54 pm    Post subject: Pavement markings Reply with quote

Got an instant response from DDOT on this. Evidently a contract has been let for the pavement restriping, so that's on its way. Mike Jelen (who takes that route on his daily commute home from DDOT, and knows Park Road well) agrees that the three-lane markings on Park Road is a good idea, and is inquiring to see if the contract can be modified to that effect. -- Jack
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