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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4399 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:51 am Post subject: Focus Forum and Special Meeting |
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The Mount Pleasant Advisory Neighborhood Commission
with All-Ways MtP and MtP Main Street
Invites You to a Focus Forum on MtP Affordable Housing
Monday, May 23, 2005, 6:45 - 8:45 PM
Gather at 6:45, discussion starts at 7:00
Mount Pleasant Branch Library Main Meeting Room, Ground Floor
A forum for Mount Pleasant residents to discuss ideas and changes that would generate and preserve diversity and economic development via affordable housing.
Facilitated by Ward One Councilmember Jim Graham
We'll use 3x5 cards to collect input, & an audio recording of the discussion as a first step for the Comprehensive Plan + other studies. As a next step, MtPMS, AMP, & ANC1D plan a follow up Forum in three months with details.
Mount Pleasant Advisory Neighborhood Commission
Special Public Meeting -- 6:00 – 6:30 PM, Monday, May 23, 2005
A brief special ANC meeting will take place on Monday, May 23, at 6:00 pm, at the Mount Pleasant Library, immediately preceding the Focus Forum on Affordable Housing. |
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jen
Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 55
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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What is the agenda for the special ANC meeting? _________________ jen |
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4399 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 3:04 pm Post subject: ANC special meeting |
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| jen wrote: | | What is the agenda for the special ANC meeting? |
1636 Irving Street condominiums
Freedom of Information Act policy
Harvard Towers slope
In half an hour, we won't be able to cover much.
-- Jack |
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jen
Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 55
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Jack--can you tell us more about what the issues are regarding the agenda items? Thanks. _________________ jen |
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4399 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 4:48 pm Post subject: ANC special meeting |
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| jen wrote: | | Jack--can you tell us more about what the issues are regarding the agenda items? Thanks. |
This will be limited to things which must be dealt with quickly, and can't wait for the June 7 monthly meeting.
Re 1636 Irving Street -- a row house has been converted into seven (!) condominiums, without the zoning variance approval that we believe is required for such an expansion. The condos are built, and on sale now, so we must intervene quickly.
Concerning FOIA, we've received a couple of FOIA requests, and we're required to respond within 15 days. But the ANC has no FOIA response policy, so it's time we set one.
Re the Harvard Towers slope -- I'm not sure what the commissioners have in mind. Our new commissioner is a resident of the Harvard Towers, and I certainly want to hear what the Towers residents think ought to be done to that spot, immediately adjacent to their building.
-- Jack |
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wdcma
Joined: 28 Mar 2004 Posts: 113
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:45 pm Post subject: Community input??? |
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I attended the special anc meeting this evening. It didn't officially start till at least a half hour than posted because they were waiting to get a quorum of anc commissioners. When it started, the first thing they did was ask if there was any public comment, which there wasn't at the time, the meeting had yet to get started. Then when the first agenda item was discussed, 1636 Irving St., they said they would have a 5 min. public comment period before voting but they never did have one. Then with the 2nd agenda item there was no public input time allowed or public input allowed. Then with the 3rd and final agenda item there was no public comment allowed, however this agenda item ended up being tabled to the next meeting. It doesn't seem to be very transparent that when the anc posted the notice about this meeting they gave very little information, so it was impossible to tell what exactly they were going to discuss related to the topics mentioned in the anc's earlier posting. Yet at the special anc meeting the commissioners already had pre-drafted pre-written resolutions regarding each of these agenda items. Why is it that the anc doesn't publish those 'draft' resolutions ahead of time along with the notice of the meeting? Yeah, the law doesn't say you have to, but by gosh, if the anc was genuinely interested in substantive input from the community they would be more open and transparent and would publish their draft resolutions ahead of time to allow for maximum public comment. But the anc appears to continue to shirk from the responsibility of community input and outreach altogether. This is just another fine example. Residents expect more and the anc should be held accountable for their failure to involve more of the residents, not to mention ignore the input of many who are very actively involved in the community.
I'm disappointed and frustrated.  |
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4399 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Community input??? |
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| wdcma wrote: | | Then when the first agenda item was discussed, 1636 Irving St., they said they would have a 5 min. public comment period before voting but they never did have one. Then with the 2nd agenda item there was no public input time allowed or public input allowed. Then with the 3rd and final agenda item there was no public comment allowed, however this agenda item ended up being tabled to the next meeting. It doesn't seem to be very transparent that when the anc posted the notice about this meeting they gave very little information, so it was impossible to tell what exactly they were going to discuss related to the topics mentioned in the anc's earlier posting. |
We had planned to start the special meeting at 6:00 and finish by 6:30, allowing for a timely start to the Focus Forum on Affordable Housing. But we didn't have a quorum until after 6:30, and then it was necessary to hurry matters along.
ANC meetings are not "town hall" meetings. We set aside time for public input, a specific period early in the meeting. After that period, it is our choice whether to hear public comments or not. Given the severe time pressure last night, due to the Focus Forum that was to start by 7, there was no time to open any discussion to public comment.
As for draft resolutions, we were busily exchanging drafts and revising drafts up to the last minute. Gregg's draft of the FOIA resolution was sent out 15 minutes before the meeting began, by which time I was already at the library, so I was seeing it for the first time at the meeting. Same for the Harvard Towers slope resolution. The only draft resolution I saw prior to the meeting was my own.
-- Jack |
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Bill Guest
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | After that period, it is our choice whether to hear public comments or not. |
Huh? Are you serious Jack? Why have a public meeting if you are not going to allow public input? Why would this ANC passed resolutions without any public input allowed? Having no time for discussion and input from the community is wrong and therefore useless for anyone to attend your meetings, ---sounds like a dictatorship.
Where is the democracy in all of this?
Please post all your resolutions passed last night and who they are sent to so we can send in our own comments to those involved.
Bill |
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4399 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 12:43 pm Post subject: ANC meetings |
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| Bill wrote: | | Why have a public meeting if you are not going to allow public input? Why would this ANC passed resolutions without any public input allowed? |
We always, and by law, set aside a period for public discussion, generally at the start of the meeting.
After that, the ANC meeting is open to the public, to see and hear what is done. But "open to the public" does not mean that the public has the right to participate in ANC discussions. Think of going to a City Council meeting, which is similarly open to the public. Do you think you have the right to poke up your hand and join in the Council debates? Of course not.
We certainly try to gather input from the people who come to our meetings. But when time is tight, as it was last night, that has to be very limited. And you must recognize that the number attending our meetings amounts to about one one-thousandth of the population of Mount Pleasant. We have to respect the vast majority of residents who do not or cannot attend our meetings, yet whose opinions must carry equal weight with us. That's the essence of "representative democracy".
-- Jack |
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wdcma
Joined: 28 Mar 2004 Posts: 113
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 1:49 pm Post subject: why even go to an anc mtg? |
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| With that attitude of the anc, why even go to an anc meeting? If you can't as much give some time to the people who took time out of their day to physically be present at the meeting, to give their comments and provide input, then I highly doubt that there is much concern for the opinion of those hundreds, or thousands who don't go to the meeting. Why bother even going if the anc doesn't make the effort to ask the thoughts of those in attendance??? That meeting left me with little desire to waste my time there again. Who's fault was it that the anc meeting was running late and time was tight? Was it the fault of the residents in attendance? No. The ANC could be more efficient of the use of their time and the public's time. One of the commissioners went on and on for a half an hour about the real estate market in dc and when asked by a resident what his point was he refused to state it. That whole oration could have been replaced with sharing the resolutions that were drafted by the anc and letting the community provide input. That would have been valuable to those in attendance and perhaps to the anc commissioners but obviously the commissioners go to these meetings with their minds made up before they've even done any true due diligence in obtaining public opinion on a matter. It is shameful. |
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4399 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: why even go to an anc mtg? |
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| wdcma wrote: | | That meeting left me with little desire to waste my time there again. Whose fault was it that the anc meeting was running late and time was tight? |
The meeting last night was a special meeting, called to deal with urgent issues. The result was certainly not typical of our monthly meetings. We had allowed only half an hour for the meeting; we started (nominally) at 6, to provide for the Affordable Housing Forum, to start at 7; then we started very late, because the driver who was supposed to bring Stormy Scott (she depends on a van for the disabled for transportation to our meetings) was late. With the late start, and the need to turn over the meeting to the Forum, I pressed hard to expedite our work.
As for gathering input from the public -- that, Marika, is precisely what the Focus Forum was about. We spent the time from a little after 7 until a quarter to 9 listening to people tell us what they thought of housing issues, and affordable housing, in Mount Pleasant. We had an Open Forum in April, and we will continue with these "Open" and "Focus" Forums, where we commissioners will be listeners, and members of the public the speakers, roughly once a month, henceforth. I don't believe any previous Mount Pleasant ANC has held such regular public-discussion forums.
-- Jack |
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Gregg Edwards
Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 79
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: Open meetings, but no right to comment. |
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Dear Bill,
Here is the text mandating open meetings in DC:
District of Columbia Official Code 2001 Edition
Division I. Government of District.
Title 1. Government Organization.
Chapter 2. District Of Columbia Home Rule.
Subchapter VII. Referendum; Succession In Government; Temporary Provisions; Miscellaneous; Amendments to District of Columbia Elections Act; Rules of Construction; And Effective Dates.
Part D. Miscellaneous.
§ 1-207.42. Open meetings.
(a) All meetings (including hearings) of any department, agency, board, or commission of the District government, including meetings of the Council of the District of Columbia, at which official action of any kind is taken shall be open to the public. No resolution, rule, act, regulation, or other official action shall be effective unless taken, made, or enacted at such meeting.
(b) A written transcript or a transcription shall be kept for all such meetings and shall be made available to the public during normal business hours of the District government. Copies of such written transcripts or copies of such transcriptions shall be available, upon request, to the public at reasonable cost.
Credit
(Dec. 24, 1973, 87 Stat. 831, Pub. L. 93-198, title VII, § 742.)
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As the web-published analysis of the act by lawyers from Williams & Connely says:
"The Sunshine Act does not address a right to comment during public meetings. "
I hope we can set up a structure for dialog. Of course, productive dialog is a cultural artifact practiced with varying dimensions of effectiveness and skill. In my professional life, I'm used to it requiring that people suspend judgment on the approach taken by others, and deal with what others have said, not one's own interpretation. Apparently, few folks do that 'naturally', thus the many training courses on Listening.
I'm an officer of a non-profit board (on Affordable Housing) where much emphasis (with consultants, retreats,...) has been devoted to building up those skills, including a research-based covenant. It is still a struggle, more honored exceptionally rather than regularly. Old habits die hard.
Respectfully,
Gregg Edwards |
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jen
Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 55
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: Open meetings, but no right to comment. |
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[quote="Gregg Edwards"][color=darkblue]
In my professional life, I'm used to it requiring that people suspend judgment on the approach taken by others, and deal with what others have said, not one's own interpretation. Apparently, few folks do that 'naturally', thus the many training courses on Listening.
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Wow Gregg! I actually prefer to judge motivations and intent based on what people do. In my profession as a social worker, approach( or process) is often the real defining issue. Talk is pretty cheap and people will say just about anything--often to hear themselves speak or disallow others an chance for input. Interestingly you and Jack are sticking by the written guidelines to defend your own opinion stifling choice rather than engage in the difficult but morally correct behavior of giving those in your community a voice--exactly the listening that you would so appreciate yourself.
I and many others in the community find this behavior rather appalling and each time this happens, you lose credibility and support.
Who knows, maybe the masses will rise in revolt and strip this ANC of any authority it professes to have. Actually, we do not have to rise, we can just view you as failing represent our interests and render you insignificant ( many Mt. Pleasanters already do). Too bad-- this body has so much more potential. _________________ jen |
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