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ilana-mtp
Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 200
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:40 pm Post subject: Night Club on Mt Pleasant Street |
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China,
Where do you stand on the issue of the night club?
Do you support the ANC desire to overturn the board decision and getting a night club on Mt Pleasant Street?
Would you have voted for or against it in the first place?
Thanks,
Ilana |
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Chinaterrell
Joined: 19 Feb 2010 Posts: 24 Location: 19th and Lamont
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:14 pm Post subject: I understand your questions... |
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Excellent question Ms. Ilana,
Here are my thoughts. In the time that I've lived in Mt. Pleasant, it seems that residents, businesses, neighborhood associations and groups sometimes have taken all or nothing stances on issues. This is sometimes done in a way that leaves others feeling hurt and unheard, not to mention cynical and distrustful of working with others for a stronger Mt. Pleasant.
Part of my vision for the ANC and for Mt. Pleasant is to contribute to fostering a sense of healing in our neighborhood and a deeper sense of trust with our neighbors, including our resident small business owners.
From my perspective, one of the shining points of Mt. Pleasant is that we have resident small business owners -- those who help create commerce in the neighborhood, but also value the neighborhood enough to live here and raise their families here.
We are all equally invested in seeing a stronger Mt. Pleasant. So, although we may not agree on how to get there, our shared identity as neighbors gives us common ground from which we can work through our differences.
Of course, the ANC passed a resolution (3-2) supporting the nightclub license and the ABC Board denied that application. What we have left are a splintered neighborhood and polarizing viewpoints. Both may push us farther from being the kind of neighborhood where new businesses clamor to fill our approximately 17 vacant storefronts and where agencies and non-profits pour money into the neighborhood to help us keep our streets safe, attractive, and pulsing with vibrancy.
Here in this ANC election, I believe we have an opportunity to affirm a new direction. There are great candidates running to serve us.
My platform is one of reconciliation and forward march toward a Mt. Pleasant that is vibrant, thriving, and strong of spirit, because the people have found a way to collaborate on what brings them together and negotiate their differences constructively.
So for me, the issue is not where we as candidates stand on the issue of the nightclub. The issue is whether we as candidates have the vision and the fortitude to bring residents together, to help bridge deeply divided factions, and to carve a middle path using a diversity viewpoints and ideas.
At last week's ANC meeting, we learned that the ABC Board may not have followed the law in its consideration of the ANC resolution. The ABC board appears not have addressed each of the points of the ANC resolution.
As an attorney, I believe the law should be upheld and that government cannot be above its own law. Accordingly, I voiced support for the resolution to ensure that the ABC Board follow the law in responding to the ANC’s original resolution. I believe the resolution may also help the District and the petitioner avoid unnecessary litigation costs.
For my candidacy, I have a few signs. I hope you will take one for your home or storefront window if you support a mended Mt. Pleasant, where we commit to the hard work of--
-->bridging our differences,
-->finding the place of forgiveness and compromise, and
-->understanding our neighborhood by embracing our neighbor.
China for ANC 1D05
**I will discuss any of these viewpoints more in person or over the phone. please contact me at 202.415.2916 or [email address removed - log in to view].
**I am door-knocking this week or you can also visit me during community hours at the Mt Pleasant Interim Library this Saturday from 9:30 am to 10:30 am.[/list] _________________ China Terrell
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ilana-mtp
Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 200
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Summary: You support the night club.
And please don't use empty words to answer a simple question: we all support a non-divided neighborhood, business owners, peace on Earth, and the law..
I also support the law and trying to overturn the board's decision by any mean necessary is not exactly supporting the law...
I guess you just lost my vote...
Maybe there is still time to mount a write-in campaign... |
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Chinaterrell
Joined: 19 Feb 2010 Posts: 24 Location: 19th and Lamont
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:31 pm Post subject: I understand your questions... |
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Thank you Ms. Ilana. I actually didn't discuss whether I would support a nightclub. I'm afraid I don't think a nightclub is the issue and I believe our neighborhood needs leadership that will help heal its divisions. There is a much greater work to do in Mt Pleasant.
I'm sorry I've lost your vote, but I'm happy to call you to talk further and listen to all of your concerns (especially if you live in ANC 1D05), so that I can accurately and effectively represent them to government once elected.
Thanks for your question and for reading my response.
China _________________ China Terrell
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Bill
Joined: 08 May 2007 Posts: 144
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:28 am Post subject: |
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China,
| Quote: | | Of course, the ANC passed a resolution (3-2) supporting the nightclub license and the ABC Board denied that application. |
Yes, the the ANC passed a resolution (3-2) supporting the nightclub but the issues in the resolution of concern by the ANC, which they feel should be addressed by the ABC Board, doesn't have anything to do with whether or not a nightclub is appropriate in Mount Pleasant. All it refers to is how great a person the licensee is. The ANC failed to state why a nightclub would be appropriate in Mount Pleasant. Further to this point, the ABC board denied the application because of other factors presented at the hearing affecting our neighborhood, i.e., parking, traffic, too residential, more kids reside here, etc., etc., etc.
The ANC is only there to advise, and they are accounted great weight, but they never once listed in their resolution why a nightclub is appropriate for a neighborhood that is full of traffic, has parking problems, is full of kids, and is predominantly residential.
While you state you would like to "contribute to fostering a sense of healing in our neighborhood and a deeper sense of trust with our neighbors", you will always live in a neighborhood with differences of opinions and the ANC is not a place to mediate. The ANC is there to advise the government on what feedback they get from their constituency.
So hypothetically let's say Haydees hadn't applied for a nightclub license and today a restaurant wanted to turn into a nightclub.
Do you support nightclubs in our neighborhood that has documented evidence that it isn't appropriate? |
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Chinaterrell
Joined: 19 Feb 2010 Posts: 24 Location: 19th and Lamont
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:06 pm Post subject: Correction! |
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Sorry! I need to correct my statement above where I said that the original resolution regarding Haydee's liquor license passed 3-2. It actually passed 6 to 0.
Reconsider the ABC Board’s decision denying Haydee’s Restaurant a night club license: Passed by 6 to 0 vote
Night club liquor license for Haydee's Restaurant: Passed by 6 to 0 vote
Thanks,
China _________________ China Terrell
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ClancyMac
Joined: 16 Aug 2006 Posts: 212
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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I am actually much less interested in trying to make Haydee's nightclub license some sort of political litmus test than I am about exploring China's "all or nothing" observation above.
Do you believe that when it comes to liquor licenses (and other issues where business and residential interests may be divergent) that BOTH businesses and residents need to be open to compromise, and that a "zero-sum game" mentality is not a productive mindset for an ANC to follow? |
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4400 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Night Club on Mt Pleasant Street |
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| ilana-mtp wrote: | China,
Where do you stand on the issue of the night club?
Do you support the ANC desire to overturn the board decision and getting a night club on Mt Pleasant Street?
Would you have voted for or against it in the first place?
Thanks,
Ilana |
I have to step in on this one. The ANC has not expressed any desire "to overturn the board decision". The ANC objected to the cursory treatment given by the ABC Board to its resolution of February, 2010, supporting the application. But that is not advice to the Board calling for the decision to be reversed. The ANC refrained from taking any such step.
-- Jack |
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Bill
Joined: 08 May 2007 Posts: 144
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Reconsider the ABC Board’s decision denying Haydee’s Restaurant a night club license: Passed by 6 to 0 vote |
Jack, it's not obvious from the title of the resolution and it appears that more than China are confused. I look forward to hearing her response to Clancy Mac's question. |
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Subcity
Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Posts: 190
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Night Club on Mt Pleasant Street |
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| jack wrote: |
I have to step in on this one. The ANC has not expressed any desire "to overturn the board decision". The ANC objected to the cursory treatment given by the ABC Board to its resolution of February, 2010, supporting the application. But that is not advice to the Board calling for the decision to be reversed. The ANC refrained from taking any such step.
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And yet you supported cursory treatment (i.e., dismissal) of consideration of any fine against Haydee's for the tree removal. So, "cursory" ain't bad inherently, it seems. So, it's difficult to accept the claim that the ANC's/yours/some subset thereof objection is merely inspired by procedural concerns. The implication is that "cursory" is a problem only when you object to the substance of what happened. |
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4400 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Night Club on Mt Pleasant Street |
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| Subcity wrote: | | jack wrote: |
I have to step in on this one. The ANC has not expressed any desire "to overturn the board decision". The ANC objected to the cursory treatment given by the ABC Board to its resolution of February, 2010, supporting the application. But that is not advice to the Board calling for the decision to be reversed. The ANC refrained from taking any such step.
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And yet you supported cursory treatment (i.e., dismissal) of consideration of any fine against Haydee's for the tree removal. So, "cursory" ain't bad inherently, it seems. So, it's difficult to accept the claim that the ANC's/yours/some subset thereof objection is merely inspired by procedural concerns. The implication is that "cursory" is a problem only when you object to the substance of what happened. |
The point here is simply that the assertion that the ANC wanted "to overturn the board decision" is incorrect. The ANC has made no such request. As for the rest of your argument, that's better taken up under the appropriate topic, rather than here in the area intended for dialog with 1D05 candidates.
-- Jack |
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Bill
Joined: 08 May 2007 Posts: 144
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Reconsider the ABC Board’s decision denying Haydee’s Restaurant a night club license
Resolved, ANC 1D seeks reconsideration of the decision by the DC Alcoholic Beverage Control Board to deny the application of NHV Corporation, Inc. (t/a Haydee’s Restaurant) for a Class CN License. |
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The point here is simply that the assertion that the ANC wanted "to overturn the board decision" is incorrect. The ANC has made no such request. |
Jack, this is the title and the first paragraph of the resolution ("seeks reconsideration of the decision"). Help us out here. Where does it mention the ANC is fine with its decision but wants the items in the ANC resolution properly addressed? Then it mentions how Wonderland is a night club and operates in good harmony in a neighborhood. Is that not a piece of supporting evidence for the ABC to reconsider their decision like the title of the resolution implies?
Maybe the ANC should "reconsider" rewriting the title and the first paragraph over. |
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4400 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:24 pm Post subject: Haydee's as night club |
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| Bill wrote: | | Quote: | Reconsider the ABC Board’s decision denying Haydee’s Restaurant a night club license
Resolved, ANC 1D seeks reconsideration of the decision by the DC Alcoholic Beverage Control Board to deny the application of NHV Corporation, Inc. (t/a Haydee’s Restaurant) for a Class CN License. |
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The point here is simply that the assertion that the ANC wanted "to overturn the board decision" is incorrect. The ANC has made no such request. |
Jack, this is the title and the first paragraph of the resolution ("seeks reconsideration of the decision"). Help us out here. Where does it mention the ANC is fine with its decision but wants the items in the ANC resolution properly addressed? Then it mentions how Wonderland is a night club and operates in good harmony in a neighborhood. Is that not a piece of supporting evidence for the ABC to reconsider their decision like the title of the resolution implies?
Maybe the ANC should "reconsider" rewriting the title and the first paragraph over. |
No doubt things could be better written. But the essence of the ANC is its "advice" given to District agencies, and that advice is this:
ANC1D advises the ABC Board to follow settled law, and address with the deference (see Kopff) required by law, all the relevant ANC resolutions and points.
That's it: "address . . . all the relevant ANC resolutions and points". They didn't do that, choosing instead to dismiss our resolution with a wave of the hand, and a bland assertion that their various arguments addressed our points.
Okay, then let them proceed to spell that out, as the ANC law requires:
In all cases the government entity is required to articulate its decision in writing. The written rationale of the decision shall articulate with particularity and precision the reasons why the Commission does or does not offer persuasive advice under the circumstances. In so doing, the government entity must articulate specific findings and conclusions with respect to each issue and concern raised by the Commission. Further, the government entity is required to support its position on the record.
-- Jack |
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Subcity
Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Posts: 190
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Night Club on Mt Pleasant Street |
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| jack wrote: | | Subcity wrote: | | jack wrote: |
I have to step in on this one. The ANC has not expressed any desire "to overturn the board decision". The ANC objected to the cursory treatment given by the ABC Board to its resolution of February, 2010, supporting the application. But that is not advice to the Board calling for the decision to be reversed. The ANC refrained from taking any such step.
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And yet you supported cursory treatment (i.e., dismissal) of consideration of any fine against Haydee's for the tree removal. So, "cursory" ain't bad inherently, it seems. So, it's difficult to accept the claim that the ANC's/yours/some subset thereof objection is merely inspired by procedural concerns. The implication is that "cursory" is a problem only when you object to the substance of what happened. |
The point here is simply that the assertion that the ANC wanted "to overturn the board decision" is incorrect. The ANC has made no such request. As for the rest of your argument, that's better taken up under the appropriate topic, rather than here in the area intended for dialog with 1D05 candidates.
-- Jack |
Nope, it ain't "incorrect", full stop. Certainly what the ANC did was not an endorsement of what the ABC did. At a minimum, it is fair to say that the ANC wants the ABC to change its ruling. Of course at the end of the day, the ANC might vote against a formal motion or some such in favor of Haydee's position. But as things stand, the ANC has endorsed Haydee's position. Even procedural matters have substantive impact, and denying that doesn't change anything. "Oh, I only voted to table that matter; I didn't vote against it..." B.S.
BTW, I have no position on what Haydee's wants to do. But, I do want to point out, from time to time, the illogic (if not disingenuousness) of comments posted here.
And, what Bill posted in this thread - makes sense to me. |
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Old Timer
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 188
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:36 am Post subject: |
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China,
Come on China, you are beating around the bush.
Do you support nightclubs for Mt Pleasant or not?
A simple yes or no. |
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