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MTPresident



Joined: 03 Jul 2008
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCCharles makes some excellent points and I agree with pretty much all of it. What I've tried to point out in the past especially with regard to the "poll" about the ban on singles sales is that the poeple posting on this discussion board represents probably less than 1% of the people who actually live in Mt. Pleasant, and even that 1% is skewed, I mean really how many of our Latino or even African American residents are posting or even reading this discussion board???? And something tells me that the MPNA and even the ANC don't especially represent those residents either.
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Mrs. B



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ClancyMac wrote:
totally agree with DC Charles. And to add to that---

the weekends feature the streetvending flower salesman, farmers market, fruit stand (nothing beats Central american citrus for juice quality) and ice cream cart.

and the scrambled eggs with jalapeno and cheese at Don Jaime's rocks.
Don't forget the Salteña lady. Those things are like crack in a pastry. Laughing
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zrathore



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCCharles wrote:
zrathore wrote:
Where can you get smokes at 3 AM? What's open in MtP at 3?

7-11, man.

Wow, I guess I have been living under a rock. My bad.
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Eugene



Joined: 28 Jul 2007
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Location: 3138 17th Street Mount Pleasant

PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the bistek ranchero at Don Juan's with homemade tortillas -- mghty tasty!
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kelly5612



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCCharles wrote:
Best I can count, there are only three vacancies on Mt. Pleasant Street: the two grocery stores (and didn't we all think that there were at least two grocery stores too many, anyway?) and the business center.


Add the old Speed Wash, Habitat's ground floor, and someone in-the-know informed me the psychic's space is/was/will be available.
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Laurie



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a visit to www.walkscore.com and you will find that Mount Pleasant is a very walkable community. I found this fascinating.

Walk Score: 72 out of 100 — Very Walkable

How It Works
Walk Score helps people find walkable places to live. Walk Score calculates the walkability of an address by locating nearby stores, restaurants, schools, parks, etc. Walk Score measures how easy it is to live a car-lite lifestyle—not how pretty the area is for walking.

What does my score mean?
Your Walk Score is a number between 0 and 100. Here are general guidelines for interpreting your score:

90–100 = Walkers' Paradise: Most errands can be accomplished on foot and many people get by without owning a car.
70–89 = Very Walkable: It's possible to get by without owning a car.
50–69 = Somewhat Walkable: Some stores and amenities are within walking distance, but many everyday trips still require a bike, public transportation, or car.
25–49 = Car-Dependent: Only a few destinations are within easy walking range. For most errands, driving or public transportation is a must.
0–24 = Car-Dependent (Driving Only): Virtually no neighborhood destinations within walking range. You can walk from your house to your car!

The Walk Score™ Algorithm
Walk Score uses a patent-pending system to measure the walkability of an address. The Walk Score algorithm awards points based on the distance to the closest amenity in each category. If the closest amenity in a category is within .25 miles (or .4 km), we assign the maximum number of points. The number of points declines as the distance approaches 1 mile (or 1.6 km)—no points are awarded for amenities further than 1 mile. Each category is weighted equally and the points are summed and normalized to yield a score from 0–100. The number of nearby amenities is the leading predictor of whether people walk.1

Your Walk Score may change as our data sources are updated or as we improve our algorithm.


Grocery Stores
0.05 Mi Argyle Convenience
0.05 Mi Best Way Supermarke
0.05 Mi Los Primos
0.06 Mi Samber Food Store
0.07 Mi Elprogreso Market
0.08 Mi 7-Eleven Food Store
0.18 Mi Brown Street Market
0.38 Mi Target Store

Restaurants
0.04 Don Juan Restaurant
0.05 Mi Marleny Restaurant
0.05 Mi Marx Cafe
0.05 Mi Pollo Loco
0.05 Mi Don Jaime Restauran
0.07 Mi Radius
0.14 Mi Dos Gringos

Coffee Shops
0.36 Mi United Coffee Shop
0.38 Mi Sticky Fingers Bake
0.4 Mi Potter's House Coff
0.46 Mi Crumbs & Coffee Inc
0.61 Mi Starbucks Coffee Co
0.61 Mi Caribou Coffee
0.66 Mi Tryst Coffee House
0.71 Mi Ventnor

Sports Cafe Bars
0.57 Mi Adams Mill Bar & Gr
0.66 Mi Asylum
0.66 Mi Tryst Coffee House
0.71 Mi Left Bank Vistor Lo
0.71 Mi Bedrock Billiards
0.73 Mi Spy Lounge
0.78 Mi Bourbon
0.97 Mi Chi-Cha Lounge

CasMovie Theaters
1.07 Mi AMC Loews Uptown 1
1.11 Mi Visions Cinema Bist
1.15 Mi Spooky Action Theat
1.32 Mi Theater Studio
1.4 Mi Theater J
1.58 Mi AMC Loews Dupont Ci
1.91 Mi Washington Perform
2.5 Mi E Street Cinema

Schools
0.05 Mi Preparatory School
0.13 Mi Sacred Heart School
0.13 Mi Sacred Heart Adult
0.14 MiElsie Whitlow Stoke
0.21 Mi Lincoln Middle Scho
0.23 Mi Bancroft Elementary
0.27 Mi Bell Senior High Sc
0.33 Mi Little Flower Monte

Parks
0.17 Mi Recreation & Parks
0.36 Mi Park East
0.51 Mi Piney Creek Park
0.67 Mi Meridian Hill Park
0.77 Mi Rock Creek and Poto
0.77 Mi Rock Creek National
0.8 Mi Kalorama Park
0.85 Mi Smithsonian

Libraries
0.15 Mi Mt Pleasant Library
0.86 Mi National Library Se
1 Mi Cleveland Park Libr
1.04 Mi Petworth Library
1.13 Mi Population Referenc
1.2 Mi Hillwood Museum & G
1.22 Mi The Supreme Council
1.34 Mi German Historical I

Bookstores
0.87 Mi Teaching For Change
0.92 Mi House of Khamit
0.96 Mi Sankofa video and b
0.99 Mi Sisterspace & Books
1.23 Mi Howard University B
1.35 Mi Lambda Rising Books
1.44 Mi Kramerbooks & After
2.33 Mi Politics & Prose Bo

Fitness
0.05 Mi Curves
0.25 Mi Into Afrika Inc
0.36 Mi Quiet mind yoga
0.38 Mi Washington Sports C
0.66 Mi Studio Serenity Yog
0.67 Mi Even Keel Yoga
0.75 Mi One On One Fitness
0.83 Mi Unity Woods Yoga Ce

Drug Stores
0.05 Mi Mt Pleasant Pharmac
0.05 Mi ShoppingMallDC.com
0.34 Mi Columbia Heights Pr
0.38 Mi Target Store
0.41 Mi CVS/pharmacy
0.42 Mi CVS Pharmacy: Store
0.43 Mi Western Union - Gia
0.48 Mi Safeway Food & Drug

Hardware Stores
0.07 Mi Pfeiffer's Hardware
0.4 Mi Cooper Hardware
0.64 Mi Around the Corner
0.7 Mi Duron Paints & Wall
0.79 Mi The Brass Knob
0.86 Mi Adams Morgan Hardwa
0.87 Mi Capitol Locksmith C
0.97 Mi Greater Goods

Clothing & Music
0.04 Mi Simplysoles
0.05 Mi ShoppingMallDC.com
0.49 Mi Foot Locker
0.55 Mi Ritmo Latino Inc
0.56 Mi Payless Shoe Source
0.65 Mi Footaction
0.65 Mi C D Game Exchange
0.67 Mi Even Keel Yoga

Walkable Neighborhoods
Picture a walkable neighborhood. You lose weight each time you walk to the grocery store. You stumble home from last call without waiting for a cab. You spend less money on your car—or you don't own a car. When you shop, you support your local economy. You talk to your neighbors.

What makes a neighborhood walkable?
A center: Walkable neighborhoods have a discernable center, whether it's a shopping district, a main street, or a public space.
Density: The neighborhood is compact enough for local businesses to flourish and for public transportation to run frequently.
Mixed income, mixed use: Housing is provided for everyone who works in the neighborhood: young and old, singles and families, rich and poor. Businesses and residences are located near each other.
Parks and public space: There are plenty of public places to gather and play.
Pedestrian-centric design: Buildings are placed close to the street to cater to foot traffic, with parking lots relegated to the back.
Nearby schools and workplaces: Schools and workplaces are close enough that most residents can walk from their homes.

Streets Designed for Everyone
Complete Streets are roads are designed for everyone who uses them, including bicyclists, pedestrians of all ages and abilities, and people getting on and off transit vehicles. These streets are:

Accessible: There are wheelchair ramps, plenty of benches with shade, sidewalks on all streets, etc.
Well-connected: Streets form a connected grid that improves traffic by providing many routes to any destination.
Built for the right speed: Lanes are narrow or traffic calming is in place to control speed.
Comfortable: Pedestrian medians at intersections, count-down crosswalk timers, bicycle lanes, protected bus shelters, etc. make the street work better for those outside of a car.
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Eugene



Joined: 28 Jul 2007
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Location: 3138 17th Street Mount Pleasant

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laurie, that was a really sweet post – it’s nice to be reminded how walkable Mount Pleasant is – and I applaud you for posting on the forum under your own ID! However, questions remain:

Old Timer wrote:
“Eugene:

Thank You for your posting.

Because so many of the older folks do not have a computer I worked for weeks on a phone bank. We had a large number--in the hundreds I'm sure--do not have the final figure--who wrote to the DC Council on this issue.

To DCCharles:

I am glad that you liked Mt Pleasant well enough to return. In my almost fifty years in Mt. Pleasant I have worked on many surveys and I can assure you--they are done in a fair and honest way and not "Bogus".

The community has worked very hard on this issue and we will continue to do so.”


When your sockpuppet “Old Timer” worked the phone bank, did it only call Mount Pleasant sockpuppets, or did it contact neighborhood hosiery in general? I mean, were nylons also asked their opinion on the Single Sales Ban, or just socks? Or was it just socks with hands in them? Did “Old Timer” use real telephones or did it have to rely on sockpuppet phones, the kind with a string in the middle and a tin can at each end?

Your sockpuppet says that hundreds of letters were submitted to the DC Council on the Single Sales Ban issue. What would sockpuppets want from the DC Council, besides a handout. (Get it? Hand… out? I got a million of ‘em!) By the way, does the MPNA Board always value and promote the opinions of sockpuppets over those of actual people, or is it only when the Board finds the opinions of real people disagreeable? (I’m thinking of you too, “Rosama”, and “Bill”, and “Jeanne”, and “Linda” and all the rest of our Mount Pleasant forum sockpuppets, scribbling away.)

When it wrote that it had lived in Mount Pleasant for almost fifty years, was that in real time or in sockpuppet years? The reason I ask is because I have some socks that go back almost five years, but at this point I can almost see through them and my wife says they are not long for this vale of tears. By comparison, “Old Timer” is a sockpuppet Methusaleh – what is your secret?

Finally, there’s the lingering issue about the legitimacy of the Single Sale Ban poll. I’m slow, so no doubt I’ve missed something, but I have found it difficult to reconcile the, um (what did we used to call it? Oh, yeah.) the internal contradiction of having a sockpuppet proclaim that a survey was “done in a fair and honest way and not "Bogus".”

Thanks for taking the time to consider my questions – I’m sure I’ll have many more!

-Eugene
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jl



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eugene,
I don't know you or Laurie or any of your beefs, but am new to the neighborhood and would like to use this forum effectively.

As an outsider, I can tell you that you are embarrassing yourself. More importantly, you are wasting our time.

I am Begging for no response from laurie (even a response that pretends to be a non-response with subtle jabs) or anyone else that doesn't have something pertinent to say.

jl
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zrathore



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Location: Wash, DC

PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eugene wrote:
When your sockpuppet “Old Timer” worked the phone bank, did it only call Mount Pleasant sockpuppets, or did it contact neighborhood hosiery in general? I mean, were nylons also asked their opinion on the Single Sales Ban, or just socks? Or was it just socks with hands in them? Did “Old Timer” use real telephones or did it have to rely on sockpuppet phones, the kind with a string in the middle and a tin can at each end?

Your sockpuppet says that hundreds of letters were submitted to the DC Council on the Single Sales Ban issue. What would sockpuppets want from the DC Council, besides a handout. (Get it? Hand… out? I got a million of ‘em!) By the way, does the MPNA Board always value and promote the opinions of sockpuppets over those of actual people, or is it only when the Board finds the opinions of real people disagreeable? (I’m thinking of you too, “Rosama”, and “Bill”, and “Jeanne”, and “Linda” and all the rest of our Mount Pleasant forum sockpuppets, scribbling away.)

When it wrote that it had lived in Mount Pleasant for almost fifty years, was that in real time or in sockpuppet years? The reason I ask is because I have some socks that go back almost five years, but at this point I can almost see through them and my wife says they are not long for this vale of tears. By comparison, “Old Timer” is a sockpuppet Methusaleh – what is your secret?

Finally, there’s the lingering issue about the legitimacy of the Single Sale Ban poll. I’m slow, so no doubt I’ve missed something, but I have found it difficult to reconcile the, um (what did we used to call it? Oh, yeah.) the internal contradiction of having a sockpuppet proclaim that a survey was “done in a fair and honest way and not "Bogus".”

Thanks for taking the time to consider my questions – I’m sure I’ll have many more!

-Eugene


Eugeue, do us all a favor...and put a sock in it!!! What the hell are you ranting about?

Jesus christ, get a hobby man.
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mha



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very walkable, no doubt. But "walkable paradise" is something to strive for. After all, Mt. Pleasant is at the heart of urban density in the region.
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Eugene



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Location: 3138 17th Street Mount Pleasant

PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zrathore wrote:
Eugeue, do us all a favor...and put a sock in it!!!

Hey, now you’re getting the hang of it! Let’s see… OK, I have one: How many sockpuppets does it take to destroy a community forum?

On a more serious note: the problem is that I’ve already been played for a fool by you and others, “Zrathore” and “jl”, and therefore can no longer be embarrassed by what goes on here. For the past year I actually believed that there were real, separate people writing behind all these user IDs, not just the same old members of the MPNA Board and a few hangers-on. I was naïve, and it was my mistake to accept what I found here in the forum as real.

It was also my mistake to assume that there was some kind of code of honor operating here that would guide user actions, to help posters not act in a craven and deceitful manner. I suppose the basic issue is anonymity, that some people simply don’t have a strong enough moral compass to be anonymous and honorable. I know, because I’m one of those people. I post in full disclosure on this forum not to make a point, but because I don’t trust myself to post anonymously.

I have a simple suggestion. I’m sure most of us agree that using sockpuppets is bad behavior and should be discouraged. How about if the owner of the forum publicly commits to using community forum best practices and, among other things, roots out all sockpuppets and works to prevent them from returning? A group of independent, technical minded volunteers from the community could provide periodic oversight to make sure best practices were being followed by Admin. Such an arrangement would not be particularly burdensome and would result in the forum being a welcoming and open environment for all posters. It would require some of us to change our posting behavior, but the change could be a real plus for our IDEAL Mount Pleasant.

Thoughts?
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Laurie



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, "walkable paradise" would be something to strive for. Walk Score ranked 2,508 neighborhoods in the largest 40 U.S. cities and Washington DC is ranked "7" out of the top "10". I think Mount Pleasant does well even with the "what doesn't work" factor. See below.

How It Doesn't Work: Known Issues with Walk Score
There are a number of factors that contribute to walkability that are not part of our algorithm:

Public transit: Good public transit is important for walkable neighborhoods.

Street width and block length: Narrow streets slow down traffic. Short blocks provide more routes to the same destination and make it easier to take a direct route.

Street design: Sidewalks and safe crossings are essential to walkability. Appropriate automobile speeds, trees, and other features also help.

Safety from crime and crashes: How much crime is in the neighborhood? How many traffic accidents are there? Are streets well-lit?

Pedestrian-friendly community design: Are buildings close to the sidewalk with parking in back? Are destinations clustered together?

Topography: Hills can make walking difficult, especially if you're carrying groceries.

Freeways and bodies of water: Freeways can divide neighborhoods. Swimming is harder than walking.

Weather: In some places it's just too hot or cold to walk regularly.
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jack



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:26 pm    Post subject: Walkability Reply with quote

Laurie wrote:
Take a visit to www.walkscore.com and you will find that Mount Pleasant is a very walkable community. I found this fascinating.

Walk Score: 72 out of 100 — Very Walkable



It's significant that the walkability score varies significantly within Mount Pleasant. From my address on 19th Street, the result is

Walk Score: 63 out of 100 — Somewhat Walkable

-- Jack
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zrathore



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eugene wrote:

On a more serious note: the problem is that I’ve already been played for a fool by you and others, “Zrathore” and “jl”, and therefore can no longer be embarrassed by what goes on here. For the past year I actually believed that there were real, separate people writing behind all these user IDs, not just the same old members of the MPNA Board and a few hangers-on. I was naïve, and it was my mistake to accept what I found here in the forum as real.


What in gods name are you talking about? Do you enjoy reading and listening to yourself?

My username couldn't be more real. Seriously, as someone who has supported Hear Mt. Pleasant in the past, I am compelled to question why I should continue to do so if you are part of the leadership. Do me a solid and just stop your drivel.
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jl



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCCHARLES wrote
Quote:
You know what enlightened central planning got us? $600 thousand condos and Bed Bath and Beyond, just arounsd the corner. If you can't walk that far, maybe you should consider a nice gated community somewhere. Now that that's taken care of, let's look at how we can keep Mt. Pleasant a little weird.

I don't pretend to have all the answers, but I'm pretty sure of a couple of things: if rents are too high, they'll come down; no committee is going to make Mt. Pleasant into King Street; and a little grunge around the edges is a small price to pay to live someplace cool and unique.


I hate to break it to you, but keeping the 'grunge around the edges' in the neighborhood does not Keep It Real.

I feel you: I've woke up under my share of pool tables and can go verse for verse with you on any G Jones or DAC songs you care to belt out. While I like to pretend that it makes me a bit cooler to live in 'the real city' or that I've not become what no rake n ramblin man wants to become, the fact is: I'm a yuppie now whether I live in a gated community in Reston or not.

You like crusty bread and cheese and appreciate a good blues bar it seems per your posts. Why does that speak badly of yourself (or myself) for wanting those things that you enjoy in your own neighborhood. Why do you think keeping stores that don't really serve you makes you less of a yuppie. You mention free market, well, this is part of it.

I don't genuinely shop at el West or the absolutely shitty supermarkets despite thinking we would when we first came to MtP as young "hipsters". And truth be told, the Latinos that can afford it, don't either. These things are not 'diversity', they are just lower end stores (Do you think the yuppies of Quito or D.F. shop in the local Bestway?? Please).

What you are suggesting is socialism or the ilk: keeping shite around to prop up something that should naturally go away (if indeed the market is shifting). Day labor laws, etc are subject to the market as well. If the neighborhood wants them, we should be allowed to have them. Can you imagine that some working class Latina is forced to have litter, garbage stores and drunks-in-the-afternoon in the neighborhood because some 'yuppie' insists they represent diversity. You honestly believe that the Vietnamese in the neighborhood wouldn't love the Hanoi version of Whole Foods on Kilbourne?

Limousine liberalism be damned.
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