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admin Site Admin
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 490 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Jack has quoted the city-wide law in his earllier posting: "2411.21 Vehicles displaying a valid residential parking permit may park at all times, within a designated residential permit parking zone, twenty-five (25) feet or more from the intersection."
Since it is a DC law, there is no need for postings. |
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dsachdev
Joined: 20 Oct 2004 Posts: 401
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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But it contradicts with the "No Parking" signs, and my suggestion would fix that contradiction and perhaps help with the issue of people constantly getting tickets for parking tickets.
| admin wrote: | Jack has quoted the city-wide law in his earllier posting: "2411.21 Vehicles displaying a valid residential parking permit may park at all times, within a designated residential permit parking zone, twenty-five (25) feet or more from the intersection."
Since it is a DC law, there is no need for postings. |
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igorok
Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 64
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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dsachdev, I agree. And yet ...
Here is another crazy thing about parking signs: I was told by someone in DC gov't who should know such things that if (1) a sign says, "No parking here to corner", (2) you park just shy of the limit suggested by the sign (i.e., in what seems to be the sign's designated OK area) , and (3) the sign is, let's say, 5' from the corner, you are nevertheless subject to receiving a ticket for parking too close to an intersection. I do not know if tickets are actually issued in such circumstances, but I have seen a bunch of too-close-to-the-corner signs in the city, especially in Adams Morgan and Georgetown.
And so, in a classic Catch-22, if the sign says "no" and the law says "yes" (as we have here in Mt P), the sign wins. Yet, if the sign says "yes" and the law says "no", the law wins. Seems to be a pattern here. Heads they win, tails ...
It's as if you come up to an intersection with a "No left turn" sign, an officer is there and directs you to take a left turn, and then another officer gives you a ticket for an illegal left turn. My hope is that the later ticket would never be issued, and if it was that (assuming you could prove your case) the ticket would be dismissed, but who knows?
I once rec'd a parking ticket having parked directly next to a temp sign that said "No Parking from 4 - 7PM". I parked at 7:15PM. Turns out that at the end of the long block (downtown) there was a permanent sign that said no parking until 8PM. (Even with a photo I lost my appeal.)
Add these situations to all of the non-functioning parking meters, and then fold in the "just say no" written traffic "adjudication" system (yes, I know that some of you here do better than I do at that game), and it's as if the ticket writers have James Bond privileges. I am just about at the stage of accepting parking tickets as if they were the AMT or Ticketmaster "service" fees. |
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4399 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: Re: Residential Permit Parking |
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| jack wrote: | | No, this "moratorium" is permanent. Wish our MPD and Parking Enforcement people would figure it out. They see car parked beyond "no parking" sign, and that's that, no further thinking involved. Very frustrating. |
Re my ticket, Inspector Brown says that Lt Vines will be taking this up with the MPD officer who wrote it. But the larger problem is DPW and their Parking Enforcement folks, who seem to be especially stumped by this subtlety of parking law.
I did get the following published in today's "themail" from dcwatch, to try to get higher-ups to pay some attention to the problem. -- Jack
Minimum Distance of Parking from an Intersection
Jack McKay, [email address removed - log in to view]
It seems so simple. There's a "no parking to intersection" signpost; and there's a car parked extending well beyond that signpost. Must be a violation, right? So many Parking Enforcement aides, and some Metropolitan Police officers, think.
But it's not that simple. District law specifies that the minimum distance of a parked car from an intersection is forty feet, and that's where the signposts are put. But the minimum distance for cars with RPP (residential permit parking) stickers, on RPP blocks, is twenty-five feet, not forty. Ergo, an RPP car on an RPP block can extend up to fifteen feet beyond the "no parking" sign, and still be legally parked. For some years this has been true at night, between 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. Since last November, courtesy of DC Law 16-0186 (thank you, Councilmember Schwartz), such parking is allowed at all hours.
But just try to get those Parking Enforcement folks, and even some MPD officers, to understand that cars parked beyond the "no parking to intersection" signposts might actually be legally parked. The parking tickets keep coming, and no one seems to be able to put a stop to this unintentional harassment of DC drivers. DMV readily dismisses these tickets, for drivers who know and can cite the law, but this remains a great waste of everybody's time. |
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zrathore
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 242 Location: Wash, DC
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| Does this exemption law apply to those drivers who have DC tags, and have "No RPP" are there registration sticker? |
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dsachdev
Joined: 20 Oct 2004 Posts: 401
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Once again....I say that a small sticker that states what the exemption is put on those No Parking signs will clear things up for 1) DC residents and 2) DC employees. |
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bdweller
Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 118
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: meters |
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another twist on weird parking laws...
If you come to a meter that has money left on it from a previous parker, you MUST add additional money to that meter...or get a ticket.
Receiving a ticket for this would only happen if the police/meter maid saw you not put money in the meter.
I was at a hearing appealing another ticket of mine and a woman in there with me had the above issue. A cop saw her park, look at the meter, walk away. Even when she came back there was money still left on the meter. Her appeal was denied. |
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4399 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:04 am Post subject: RPP |
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| zrathore wrote: | | Does this exemption law apply to those drivers who have DC tags, and have "No RPP" are there registration sticker? |
Nope. And I quote the Parking Task Force report, December 2003:
The current block-by-block approach in the RPP program was cited by the Taskforce as one of the major flaws in the current system. Under the current system, RPP areas are not necessarily contiguous or consistent due to the peculiarities of the ballot process. If one lives in the area with the generally restrictive parking conditions, but does not live on an RPP block, one cannot get a parking sticker and is effectively treated in the same way as a visitor or commuter.
This exclusion of non-RPP cars from the 25-foot provision is just one more unfairness heaped on residents of unzoned blocks. I have been working for years to get that absurd arrangement changed -- that residents of unzoned blocks are treated no better than commuters from Virginia or Maryland.
-- Jack |
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Tina
Joined: 07 Apr 2004 Posts: 179
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: meters |
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| bdweller wrote: | another twist on weird parking laws...
If you come to a meter that has money left on it from a previous parker, you MUST add additional money to that meter...or get a ticket. |
And another one...
If you find a meter that is broken, you must call the number on the meter and report it broken. You give them the number printed on the side of the meter, and they will give you a code that, theoretically, you can use to nullify any ticket you get (as long as you don't try to park longer than 2 hours from the time you called). Hope you're not in a hurry...
I parked at a broken meter, tried to pay (the coins did not register), and neglected to call before leaving (it was raining, and I had my daughter with me). I came back to a ticket, and a homeless guy ran up and told me that the officer wrote the ticket even though he (the homeless guy) used his own coins to demonstrate that the meter wasn't working. The meter wasn't flashing "FAIL" anymore, but coins dropped into it still did not register. I put all of this into my appeal, but lost anyway -- the broken meter apparently reported to DPW that it was not, in fact, broken, and so DPW stuck by the ticket. |
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