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Tom Bell
Joined: 08 Apr 2004 Posts: 109
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:42 am Post subject: Parking Change? |
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| For the past few days I've had more trouble parking on the 3300 block of 18th St. Last night I parked on 1800 block of Monroe and noticed that more than half the cars parked on that block have out of state plates. Then I noticed that the block has no residential parking restriction. Is wasn't this block zoned before? Anyone else experiencing similar change in parking availability? |
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4416 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:17 am Post subject: Re: Parking Change? |
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| Tom Bell wrote: | | For the past few days I've had more trouble parking on the 3300 block of 18th St. Last night I parked on 1800 block of Monroe and noticed that more than half the cars parked on that block have out of state plates. Then I noticed that the block has no residential parking restriction. Is wasn't this block zoned before? Anyone else experiencing similar change in parking availability? |
The 1800 block of Monroe is one of the few remaining unzoned blocks in Mount Pleasant. People who don't have RPP stickers (nonresidents, residents with out-of-state tags, and residents of unzoned blocks) know where these blocks are, so all the non-RPP cars in the neighborhood congregate on those blocks. Hence, a problem that would be mild if distributed around the neighborhood becomes severe for the residents of a few blocks.
I've been working for years for RPP to be neighborhood-wide, instead of block-by-block. This would eliminate the clustering of non-RPP cars on whatever unzoned blocks remain, and would eliminate the denial of RPP privileges to residents of unzoned blocks. I propose also that a limited number of daytime-only parking permits be provided to people who come to the neighborhood to work, i.e., people doing child care or home cleaning, and the staff at Bancroft Elementary and the Stokes charter school.
-- Jack |
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Tina
Joined: 07 Apr 2004 Posts: 179
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:43 pm Post subject: Nighttime parking |
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| I normally don't have problems parking on the blocks you mention UNLESS I happen to go out at night or come home late. After 10 PM, the parking situation is abominable. All that's left at that hour are illegal spaces (thanks to the no-parking signs that block off 1-2 car lengths on each curb at the intersection). I have, on occasion, had to park 4-6 blocks away from my house if I come home late. Forget daytime enforcement (I never find that daytime parking is a problem) -- what can we do to ensure that residents have a place to park at night? |
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Tom Bell
Joined: 08 Apr 2004 Posts: 109
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:39 am Post subject: Parking |
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I agree that it's usually possible to park on the 3300 block of 18th St. in the early evening. That it suddenly wasn't is what prompted my question. That particular evening was unusual, and it turns out that nothing has changed on the 1800 block of Monrre.
Jack's rational view re residential parking restrictions seems sensible to me. The current situation leads to clustering of non-permitted cars on a few blocks and limits residents of those same blocks to parking there during the day. That lots of cars on those blocks bear out of state tags is interesting, but probably bears little relation to the long-term parking shortage. Forcing those residents to get residential parking permits would force them to register in DC, not make the cars vanish. It would, however, allow them to spread out more evenly through the neighborhood, and might make daytime parking on those blocks easier for residents of the blocks.
As for your interest in ensuring late night parking, I'm not optimistic. The neighborhood is becoming more densely populated as single-family houses turn into three and four-unit apartment houses, and as the population becomes richer and more likely to own cars.
I'm usually looking for parking between 6 and 6:30 pm. During that period there's lots of turnover. If my block is parked, I can drive around the block a couple of times and almost always find someone leaving. There are evening classes at Bancroft that involve parking, and when they let out, more spaces open up, but after 10, as you note, it's impossible. I think it's because by that time, people have come to rest, and there's no more turnover. That's when all the people who live here have come home. As there are more and more of us, there will be fewer and fewer street parking places per capita. We can make it costly for people to warehouse unregistered cars on the neighborhood streets, and we could make it inconvenient or illegal to leave cars there indefinitely, but ultimately, we're looking at demographic and economic changes in the the neighborhood that make street parking harder.
Living so near the middle of a major city, we'll have to get used to the idea that we're not really entitled to a guaranteed free parking space within a block of our front doors. Solutions? Paid off-street parking is what they do in New York. It's what homeowners often have here (square feet of land purchased and taxed), and what high-rise apartments offer - for a price. |
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4416 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: Parking |
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| Tom Bell wrote: | | Living so near the middle of a major city, we'll have to get used to the idea that we're not really entitled to a guaranteed free parking space within a block of our front doors. Solutions? Paid off-street parking is what they do in New York. It's what homeowners often have here (square feet of land purchased and taxed), and what high-rise apartments offer - for a price. |
That's about right. Our problem is simply too many cars, owned by residents, and that problem is going to get even worse as more higher-income people arrive, expecting to be able to own two or three cars. Throw in the basement apartments, and the group homes, and it's clear that there's just not enough curbside space to meet the demand. This is why our parking crunch comes in the evening, when our many car-commuting residents come home.
I worked out the car-owning statistics for Mount Pleasant some time ago. Of renting households, a majority, 54%, own no car. Of home-owning households, only 13% own no car. One of the transitions under way here is from rental units to condominiums, and that means more cars.
It's a great problem, and the only answer to it that I see (given that nobody has space to provide rented parking) is to encourage no-car and single-car lifestyles.
I wish more people owned tiny "smart cars", like the Varis (?) commonly found parked near Lamont and 19th. That's one way to expand our curbside parking capability.
-- Jack
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4416 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Nighttime parking |
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| Tina wrote: | | I normally don't have problems parking on the blocks you mention UNLESS I happen to go out at night or come home late. After 10 PM, the parking situation is abominable. All that's left at that hour are illegal spaces (thanks to the no-parking signs that block off 1-2 car lengths on each curb at the intersection). I have, on occasion, had to park 4-6 blocks away from my house if I come home late. Forget daytime enforcement (I never find that daytime parking is a problem) -- what can we do to ensure that residents have a place to park at night? |
About those "no parking to intersection" signposts --
District law specifies no parking within 40 feet of an intersection, and that's where those posts are put. This is excessive, obviously, and 25 feet sufficies in all adjacent jurisdictions. I have pressed for our no-parking distance to be cut to 25 feet, and Carol Schwarz achieved that, partially, in the current parking law. If the block is zoned RPP, and if you have an RPP sticker, then you can park to 25 feet from the intersection, i.e., 15 feet beyond the "no parking" sign.
This used to be the case only overnight (10 pm to 7 am, or thereabouts), but it's now valid 24 hrs/day. Yes, you can park beyond those stupid no-parking signs, if you meet the RPP criteria.
The Parking Enforcement folks are having some difficulty in comprehending that a car parked beyond the no-parking sign can be legally parked. Residents have gotten tickets for such parking, and have successfully gotten those tickets revoked, by citing current law (and offering evidence that they were 25 feet or more from the intersection).
-- Jack |
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mha
Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 172
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Parking |
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| jack wrote: |
That's about right. Our problem is simply too many cars, owned by residents, and that problem is going to get even worse as more higher-income people arrive, expecting to be able to own two or three cars. Throw in the basement apartments, and the group homes, and it's clear that there's just not enough curbside space to meet the demand. This is why our parking crunch comes in the evening, when our many car-commuting residents come home.
I worked out the car-owning statistics for Mount Pleasant some time ago. Of renting households, a majority, 54%, own no car. Of home-owning households, only 13% own no car. One of the transitions under way here is from rental units to condominiums, and that means more cars.
It's a great problem, and the only answer to it that I see (given that nobody has space to provide rented parking) is to encourage no-car and single-car lifestyles.
I wish more people owned tiny "smart cars", like the Varis (?) commonly found parked near Lamont and 19th. That's one way to expand our curbside parking capability.
-- Jack
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- I'm curious about the percentages of renter/owner car owners. How many households were surveyed to reach this number? What's the statistical variance? Really, I am curious because these numbers claim to back up an observation-based opinion of car ownership and I'm wondering how much weight to put behind the statements.
And the reason is I'm suspicious of these sweeping pronouncements. The availability of parking has in the decade I've lived here remained fairly constant - other than seasonal variations - whether we are parking after work or late in the evening (or at other times). While there are indeed demographic shifts and condo conversions occurring, I wonder if there's not simply a pretty even tradeoff going on. I can think of group houses that have converted, possibly lowering the number of cars. And I've noticed a fairly uneven outcome as other properties have changed hands. Sometimes a new household has more cars, but sometimes the result is fewer.
- We find plenty of spaces prior to 9 p.m. but may have to park a couple blocks away later in the evening. Parking tightens equally on zoned and unzoned blocks, although this inequity *should* have been fixed by the city long ago.
- Parking in the alleys for our area of the neighborhood is far below potential capacity, which to me points toward parking being a nuisance and not really a problem. Were it a big problem, then people would not only clean up and use those spaces but people desiring parking would approach owners of unused spaces.
- I'm left wondering if we Mount Pleasanters don't simply have a minor parking problem. Most of my neighbors regularly find parking on our unzoned block. And even late at night a legal space can usually be found within 3 blocks. And the alleys remain partially used. Compared to other close-in neighborhoods this doesn't sound like a parking problem at all - try finding a spot in front of your house in any part of Dupont Circle or other closer-to-downtown hoods any day of the week. |
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4416 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Parking |
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| mha wrote: | | - I'm curious about the percentages of renter/owner car owners. How many households were surveyed to reach this number? What's the statistical variance? Really, I am curious because these numbers claim to back up an observation-based opinion of car ownership and I'm wondering how much weight to put behind the statements. |
The numbers are from the 2000 Federal census. -- Jack |
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Tina
Joined: 07 Apr 2004 Posts: 179
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Parking |
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| mha wrote: | | - Parking in the alleys for our area of the neighborhood is far below potential capacity, which to me points toward parking being a nuisance and not really a problem. Were it a big problem, then people would not only clean up and use those spaces but people desiring parking would approach owners of unused spaces. |
As someone with no alley parking option, I would hope that those people lucky enough to have garage or other off-street parking would take advantage of it. When they choose to park on the street instead, they are taking away spaces from people who have no other options.
Thanks, Jack, for the clarification on intersection parking. Sorry if you've explained this before, but can you provide the code provisions to cite if we're ticketed? Or a cheat sheet to append to our ticket appeals? Thanks again. |
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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4416 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Parking |
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| Tina wrote: | | Thanks, Jack, for the clarification on intersection parking. Sorry if you've explained this before, but can you provide the code provisions to cite if we're ticketed? Or a cheat sheet to append to our ticket appeals? Thanks again. |
Attached -- DC Council Act A16-464. I've gotten one of those bogus tickets, and successfully protested it. Maybe our Parking Enforcement aides are getting the message.
If you get such a ticket, please let me know. I want DPW to get the message that this parking is now legal (since last November). I think the MPD has figured it out.
-- Jack |
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mha
Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 172
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: Parking |
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| jack wrote: |
The numbers are from the 2000 Federal census. -- Jack |
I guess I'm still curious how these numbers were reached. The census compiles a lot information, some of it of limited use. I was able to determine that the 2000 census did ask questions about vehicle availability. But it did so in the "long form," which was given to 1 in 6 census households and thus subject to a greater degree of error. It's not clear the data attempted to count actual drivers - as opposed to household members - when asking about vehicles. Handling this one way over another could really skew those numbers. |
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